Toe Clips or Clipless?

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Re: Toe Clips or Clipless?

Postby Jackson » Fri Feb 19, 2010 2:30 pm

Clipless is the way to go. I use a mountain bike shoe but should have purchased the sandal used with wool socks. If your feet ever get wet, the sandals dry much quicker.
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Re: Toe Clips or Clipless?

Postby SummerBreeze » Fri Feb 19, 2010 4:42 pm

Both my bikes have the SPD pedals-since I do the kinds of events that include sightseeing, it's nice to be able to walk around in my bike shoes (or sandals as the case may be). And, they're making more road shoes that have walk-around treads and don't look like clunky mountain-bike shoes. However, I would recommend investing in two-sided pedals, if you're like me and looking down to see which side is up to clip in!!
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Re: Toe Clips or Clipless?

Postby slv0700 » Fri Feb 19, 2010 8:21 pm

Summerbreeze, yes the two sided pedals is the way to go; so nice not to
have to care which side you are clipping into.
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Re: Toe Clips or Clipless?

Postby ken f » Sun Feb 21, 2010 12:41 pm

My wife has Shimano pedals that feature an SPD clipless system on one side and a flat platform on the other. This way she can clip in while out on the road but can pedal casually on the flat sides when just tooling around short distances or in crowded conditions. Seems like the perfect combination to me.
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Re: Toe Clips or Clipless?

Postby wayneh » Mon Feb 22, 2010 1:38 pm

Clipless, for sure. The first few of these, I rode TIME ATAC mountain pedals and mountain shoes, which worked great for easy on and off and also for walking around wherever. I've since used mostly road shoes/pedals to save on weight, however slight. With plastic cleats I alsways bring the cleat covers for walking. Find someplace safe, like a big parking lot, and just practice starting and stopping until you have a routine down you can repeat without thinking about it too much. After awhile it becomes almost second nature. :mrgreen:
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Re: Toe Clips or Clipless?

Postby Force 5 Robert » Mon Feb 22, 2010 4:25 pm

Eggbeaters and sandals are my combo of choice. :)
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Re: Toe Clips or Clipless?

Postby johnncarol » Mon Feb 22, 2010 9:23 pm

One note of caution. During CO 15 I developed a severe pain in my foot at the base of my third toe. When I got home it was diagnosed as a Neuroma. After a long series of alcohol injections I was back to normal but was advised by a specialist to use a hard sole shoe and to get the biggest platform pedal I could. Neuroma's, common in cyclist and runners, are cause by pressure spots on the sole of the foot. I use only look pedals.

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Re: Toe Clips or Clipless?

Postby mytrot » Tue Feb 23, 2010 9:19 pm

Another thing I have found helps is a good insole. I do this with my hiking boots (Superfeet are great) and replaced them in my bike shoes also. I did not have neuroma issues but it sure helpe with foot pain.

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Re: Toe Clips or Clipless?

Postby tavi-1 » Wed Feb 24, 2010 11:25 am

My wife has also developed foot pain of which we’ve tried a professional bike fitting (which helped out other situations quite well, but not the foot pain issue), new cycling shoes (seemed to work for awhile), and weight reduction (geez, I hope she doesn’t read this post!).

It’s kind of one of those issues where there may be no pain at the moment; however it’s the anticipation of foot pain after several miles into the ride that casts a shadow over the experience. She currently is wearing a Specialized mountain bike shoe with the shimano clipless pedals. We have thought of going to a larger platform pedal (perhaps like johnncarol suggestion of using look pedals) and different shoes.

Any suggestions and/or recommendations would be greatly appreciated! :D :D

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Re: Toe Clips or Clipless?

Postby SummerBreeze » Wed Feb 24, 2010 12:56 pm

Hey Tav 1 - your post doesn't mention where her pain is - could the shoes be too tight across the arch, or maybe too short? After losing a few toenails, I learned to buy my running and biking shoes a half size larger than my street shoes to give them room to work. Another thought might be to adjust where the cleats are on the shoe to put them more under the ball of her foot and closer to the arch - if they're too far toward her toes, she may be putting pressure on those toes with each pedal stroke instead of pushing with her foot. I seem to remember similar issues when I first started riding, and none since I moved mine as far back as they'll go - they're right under the widest part of my foot now. Hope this helps?
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Re: Toe Clips or Clipless?

Postby Tender Chunks » Wed Feb 24, 2010 3:31 pm

Leading up to 2001 CO I bought Shimano SPD mountain biking shoes (allow you to walk around on pavement and gravel and what not) without trashing your SPD's. As others mention, I also have the pedals with SPD one side, normal dorky flat pedal on other - I find them useful for riding into town wearing my "civvies", or around camp wearing flip flops. Not for everyone, but suits me fine. Lastly, I also have Shimano sandals with SPD's, which are a wonderful thing. On those hot days, on hot roads, the breeze coming through your socks is way cool. I never get that odd sensation on the ball of your foot when it gets really hot.

Of course, if you are worried about having the "right" gear to be seen as a proper cyclist, forget about practicality and just ask your homies what to buy.

The only fall over I've done while clipped in, in 10 years, happened two years ago at the CO finish line after a long hard day. I grabbed a chocolate milk (while clipped in), opened it, then got cut off by a pedestrian, and down I went, spraying the contents of the milk carton all over my person. It was funny, in hindsight.
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Re: Toe Clips or Clipless?

Postby johnncarol » Wed Feb 24, 2010 11:20 pm

I agree with the comments of summerbreeze. In Ed Paveks's book on long distance training he talks about foot pain and cautions against shoes that are too narrow and do not accomdate the swelling that takes place on long rides. The compression of the foot then aggravates the nerves and can cause pain. He also reccomends shoes about 1/2 size too large. He also mentions that Lon Haldeman who does the high milage (100 to 140 miles per day) cross country rides often tells his riders to move the cleats back behind the ball of the foot and that has been very helpful in reducing pain. The Look cleats have a fairly large range of front to back movvement, perhaps a bit more than the SPD.

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Re: Toe Clips or Clipless?

Postby Chuck B. » Thu Feb 25, 2010 8:25 am

I'll chime in here with another vote for sandals and for moving the cleat back as far as it'll go. I used to develop some hot spots on the bottoms of my feet on long, hard days, even with the sandals. Last year the RBR newsletter recommended moving cleats back as far as they will go, and I did that, and it made an amazing amount of difference...

FWIW, I have Lake sandals. The thing I like about the Lakes is that the end turns up a little and seems to help protect my tender tootsies when I'm walking around off the bike...
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Re: Toe Clips or Clipless?

Postby Force 5 Robert » Thu Feb 25, 2010 9:27 am

The best thing about sandals: On those hot days you can just soak your feet with cold water (feels SO good!) and they will all dry out in no time. Cannot do that with a tight road shoe. Ew.
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Re: Toe Clips or Clipless?

Postby tavi-1 » Thu Feb 25, 2010 4:07 pm

All of you have peaked my interest in clipless cycling sandals. I’ve seen the sandals used often with those riding recumbents; however they’re also good for diamond frame bikes? :? I’m thinking of a stubbed toe (while riding my schwinn when I was a kid), and/or whether the sandal footbed would be firm enough for daily rides of 50-60 miles. And if the sandal would give overall good foot support.

Robert’s idea of a cooler foot on hot days sounds great!

Thoughts, suggestions, brands to look at? Thanks!

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