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Heard during cycle oregon

PostPosted: Mon Sep 17, 2007 5:54 pm
by Clipinnow
While nestled in my warm cozy tent, some disparaging remarks about the tent campers. Something about us being poor folks who cannot afford tent and porter service. And it did not sound to be in "good humor" either.

I for one would rather spend my money in the communities we visit.

Needless to say, I was rather appalled.

Given the humble roots of this ride and from whence it came...

Anyway I thought that this might be an interesting topic for discussion.

Tent and Porter customer

PostPosted: Mon Sep 17, 2007 6:40 pm
by clwilli
I can assure you it wasn't me. I am rethinking the T&P service. Tents were literally inches apart and I could hear my neighbors when they turned over in their sleeping bags. I would have paid big $$ for ear plugs that blocked out the snoring. Yes I had two different types but they did little to block out the noise. I can't remember tents in the past being shoved in on top of each other. Numerous times crews were already pulling tent stakes and removing chairs at 6-630 am. I think I would like the option in the future to set up a tent where I can get a good nights rest. FWIW

PostPosted: Tue Sep 18, 2007 7:51 am
by Shifty
It takes me five minutes to set up my tent, pull the sleeping bag from the stuff sack and roll out the thermarest. If I don't like the spot it's sitting on, I pick it up and move it a few inches, or a few yards. In the morning, I reverse the process, put everything in the bag and call to one of the very nice young students who are working for a football team, cross country team or the FFA to raise a few bucks (these kids were a joy to talk with in each town we visited)

BTW, my camp spot was dust free at Diamond Lake, how was yours in T&P?

I tend to feel a bit sorry for anyone who thinks that the above is too much for them, but to each his/her own.

Re: Heard during cycle oregon

PostPosted: Tue Sep 18, 2007 8:00 am
by Chuck B.
Clipinnow wrote:While nestled in my warm cozy tent, some disparaging remarks about the tent campers. Something about us being poor folks who cannot afford tent and porter service. And it did not sound to be in "good humor" either.



I can afford it, I'm just too cheap to use it. And besides, it doesn't take that long to set up a tent, etc. And I get a choice of who my campmates are...

PostPosted: Tue Sep 18, 2007 8:18 am
by David R
I always refer to the T&P area as "Government Housing" after all if they had real money they would be camping in an RV.

PostPosted: Tue Sep 18, 2007 8:38 am
by StarlightPurpleIF
"It takes me five minutes to set up my tent, pull the sleeping bag from the stuff sack and roll out the thermarest. If I don't like the spot it's sitting on, I pick it up and move it a few inches, or a few yards. In the morning, I reverse the process, put everything in the bag and call to one of the very nice young students who are working for a football team, cross country team or the FFA to raise a few bucks (these kids were a joy to talk with in each town we visited)"

Amen! My girlfriend and I had a large tent and we could still pitch it and roll out the bedding in about 8 minutes. The reverse process took a little bit longer due to the time required to roll a ThermaRest, but not that much longer that it made a difference. And the kids were great us usual. At Rainbow one of them gladly accompanied me with his wheel barrow all the way around the camping area to get our bags and then wheeled them all the way back. And he still had to go to school that morning. He earned himself $8 for his mighty effort. At Oakridge the eager football guys gladly grabbed my bags both in the afternoon and evening.

"BTW, my camp spot was dust free at Diamond Lake, how was yours in T&P?"

Were coditions really dusty for T&P there? We never saw that area. We were neslted in the woods. The closest tent was 15 yards away.

another viewpoint

PostPosted: Tue Sep 18, 2007 8:42 am
by aktiv
Although the disparaging remarks are a bit snarky, I appreciate the fact that CO allows for the T&P service. Putting up and breaking down the tent can get old after a while, and it allows for one to get out a little earlier if the person feels like it.

We've debated trying out the service but have always gone to our own tent posted with our yearly group of friends.

As for tent sounds, well, earplugs are pretty much mandatory for this ride anyways. :-) I know that my wife wouldn't have had a lick of sleep last week without them.

Cheers

Keith.

T&P

PostPosted: Tue Sep 18, 2007 1:48 pm
by suziqt
I had T&P service and loved it. But, it would be great if we had the option to stay in huge lodges or Univesity dorms or yurts together...having to transport your bedding is a pain and takes up so much room.

As they say: "What is the fun is pretending your homeless?"

SuziQT

PostPosted: Tue Sep 18, 2007 4:16 pm
by Slingshot
Put 2000 cool people together and we can still find some way to differentiate populations into factions that are critical of one another. :?

PostPosted: Tue Sep 18, 2007 4:17 pm
by sagebum
Normally I bring my own tent, too cheap to do anything else and it gives me some freedom in terms of location. This time my wiffe and I were returning from another trip and used our small truck/camper. I must say it was nice to get up and flip on the heat in the morning but the generator noise and especially the generator stink from those around us was awful. I even saw tent campers with cars that had gererators going.

It was also difficult to sit or stand anywhere at each location without sucking down generator stink even away from the camper.

Regardless, I had a great ride.

PostPosted: Tue Sep 18, 2007 5:52 pm
by David R
I love trash talking about the neighborhoods after all we got "stinkwagon village with their all night generators", we got "government housing project" and we have a fine example of no zoning controls with "random tent suburbia sprawl". :lol: :lol: :lol:

I did see somethin of interest lurking in the back 40 of CO this year. It was a camp housing trailer. This is a 5th wheel trailer with 8 bedrooms set up to house 2 people per bedroom. Maybe what Johnathan was saying is that we will get a new class of luxury housing. With this form of housing you would not have to pack or unpack each day. Just roll out of bed and ride. It would cost considerably more than T&P but would not eliminate any of the existing choices.

PostPosted: Tue Sep 18, 2007 8:47 pm
by Shifty
David R wrote:I did see somethin of interest lurking in the back 40 of CO this year. It was a camp housing trailer. This is a 5th wheel trailer with 8 bedrooms set up to house 2 people per bedroom. Maybe what Johnathan was saying is that we will get a new class of luxury housing. .
I, for one, really would object to this. I was really shocked at the amount of fuel that is expended during this event (maybe a board member can give us gallons of gas/deisel, or dollars spent). Between trucks for baggage, water, showers, food service, stage, sag, officials, moving blue rooms, servicing blue rooms, ATV's, generators, motorhomes and everything I'm leaving out, we had a HUGE carbon foot print last week. Add to that a fleet of 5th wheel trailers that require a truck for each, and CO will have gone into the absurd. If this is the idea, it's a bad one IMHO.

PostPosted: Wed Sep 19, 2007 6:33 am
by StarlightPurpleIF
"I did see somethin of interest lurking in the back 40 of CO this year. It was a camp housing trailer. This is a 5th wheel trailer with 8 bedrooms set up to house 2 people per bedroom."

Based on what I overheard at breakfast one day I believe what that was was the "dorm" for a group of school kids who were volunteering for the T&P service. A woman at breakfast described that very sleeping set up to another rider. She was the teacher in charge of the kids. Can't recall where they were from. They worked 11 hrs. a day.

PostPosted: Wed Sep 19, 2007 8:13 am
by Allyn Rice
I like my tent, I like picking my own spot, I like finding a Sherpa to portage my gear, and the packing in the morning is better stretching excercise than any Yoga. It really makes me ready to go! I've never needed ear plugs, and have rarely been on uneven ground. I sometimes feel sorry for those in the projects that are behind the kitchen trucks, up against the railroad tracks, or on the side of a drainage ditch.

Now, next years accomodations...I think I've got that all figured out. There are a couple thousand empty FEMA trailers in New Orleans that need new places to park. Each one of these 8' X 24' trailers has two bedrooms, a kitchen, and eating area. We would not need the kitchen trucks, dining tents, or as many blue rooms. All the trailers would have to be stocked, and you would have to do your own cooking or go to town.

I'll bet Johnathan got a great deal on all the FEMA trailers. He could have enough set up in two towns for today's ride and tonight's accomodations, and than leap frog the trailers from town to town a day ahead of our riding, just like the T & P service does right now!

PostPosted: Thu Sep 20, 2007 10:44 am
by joeb
this year was my sixth Cycle O, first since 9/11. Can't believe the changes, so many more R.V.'s and the T&P's. Herard one guy at the showers say he couldn't understand why anybody wouldn't do the T&P.
While I understand why it works for some people I really feel sad that they are missing out on part of what makes Cycle O so cool. Tents pitched
all over the place, people zig zagging there way through the maze, talking with others while navigating, bikes all over the place, Flag poles, beer and ipod music, people cleaning their bikes, thats part of the experience. Talking with the local kids and adults, handing out tips and seeing the smile on their faces. Cycle O is so much more than showing up and having your tent or R.V. there waiting for you.

Anyway, GREAT route this year, thank you mother nature for the good weather, see you next year.